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Using multimedia files you can display movies, animations and videos, and embed audio files on your Confluence page.
There are several methods for attaching files to a page. Once you have attached the multimedia file to a Confluence page, you then edit the page to set where the multimedia content should appear.

In the example below, we display a Flash file that is attached to this page.

Confluence supports the following multimedia formats:

  • Adobe Flash (.swf)
  • Apple QuickTime (.mov)
  • Windows Media (.wma, .wmv)
  • Real Media (.rm, .ram)
  • MP3 and MP4 files (.mp3, .mp4)
  • MPEG files (.mpeg, .mpg)
  • AVI files (.avi) You may need to enable an avi decoder within your browser.
Quick guide to displaying multimedia content on a page

Choose one of these methods:

  • Add the macro yourself: Attach the multimedia file to the page in the usual way. Add the Multimedia macro using the macro browser.
  • Autocomplete: Attach the multimedia file to the page in the usual way. Type '!' in the editor and choose the multimedia file from the list that appears.
  • Drag and drop: Drop the video or other file into the editor. Confluence will attach the file and insert the Multimedia macro for you.
  • Adjust parameters if necessary: Click on the Multimedia macro placeholder to set options for the macro, such as adjusting the width or height of the display, or setting autoplay on.

Displaying a multimedia file attached to the page

Once you have attached a multimedia file to a page, there are different methods for choosing where on the page the multimedia content should appear:

Inserting the Multimedia macro yourself

You can add the Multimedia macro to the page yourself using the Macro Browser. This allows you to display a multimedia file that is attached to either the current page or to another page in the Confluence site.

To insert the Multimedia macro on the page at the current cursor position:

  1. In the Confluence editor, choose Insert > Other Macros.
  2. Find and select the required macro.

Using autocomplete

Once a multimedia file is attached to the page, you can use autocomplete, while editing the page, to choose where the multimedia content should appear.

To position an attached multimedia file on the page using autocomplete:

  1. While editing the page, position the cursor where you want to place the multimedia content.
  2. Trigger the autocomplete function by typing '!'.
  3. Choose the multimedia file from the list that appears.
  4. If necessary, click on the Multimedia macro placeholder and choose Edit to set various options such as the width, height or autoplay.

Using drag-and-drop

Depending on the browser you are using, you can attach and position a multimedia file in one step using drag-and-drop.

To attach and position multimedia content using drag-and-drop:

  1. While you are editing a page, simply drag-and-drop the multimedia file on to the page. Confluence will attach the file to the page and insert the Multimedia macro at the current cursor position for you.
  2. If necessary, click on the Multimedia macro placeholder and choose Edit to set various options such as the width, height or autoplay.

Multimedia macro parameters

When editing, you can click on the macro placeholder and choose Edit to display the parameters for this macro in the Macro Browser.

Parameters are options that you can set for Confluence macros to control the content or format of the macro output. The table below lists parameters for this macro that can be set in the Macro Browser.

Parameter

Default

Description

Page Name

Current page

Name of the page to which the multimedia file is attached. If you are using the Macro Browser, just start typing the name of the page and then select it from the dropdown list that appears. The page can be in the same space or another space.

Attachment

None

File name of the multimedia file.

Width

If not specified, the browser will determine the width based on the file type.

Width of the movie window to be displayed on the page. By default, this value is specified in pixels. You can also choose to specify a percentage of the window's width, or any other value accepted by HTML.

Height

If not specified, the browser will determine the height based on the file type.

Height of the movie window to be displayed on the page. By default, this value is specified in pixels. You can also choose to specify a percentage of the window's height, or any other value accepted by HTML.

Autoplay

False

If this option is checked (that is, if the parameter is set to 'true') then the video or audio file will start playing as soon as the page is loaded. If this option is not checked (set to 'false') then the file will not play until the user clicks the icon or image on the page. See the note about autoplay below.

Notes

  • The multimedia file must be attached to a Confluence page. For security reasons, files located on remote servers are not permitted. See the Widget Connector for displaying live content from external sites.
  • You will need the relevant multimedia plugin for your browser. Your browser (Firefox, Internet Explorer, Safari and others) needs a plugin to play the video or audio file on a Confluence page. For example, to play a Flash movie you need the Flash plugin. Many plugins are shipped with the major browsers by default. If a user does not have the required plugin installed and enabled in their browser, they will not be able to view the multimedia files on the page.
  • Autoplay may not always work as expected. You can set autoplay on, so that your video or audio file should start playing as soon as the page is loaded into the browser. (See parameters.) However, this setting may not always work as expected. Confluence will send an instruction to the browser plugin that plays the multimedia file. Different browsers and different media plugins behave in different ways, and not all of them respect such instructions.
  • Use the Office Connector to display Office documents. Take a look at the Office Connector for embedding Word documents, presentations and other Office documents onto your Confluence page.
  • If you get the error, 'Unable to embed content of type application/octet-stream', this means the MIME type is not recognised.
  • Advanced users can try styling via CSS. By default, each embedded object is wrapped in a div tag. If you wish to style the div and its contents, override the embeddedObject CSS class. Specifying an ID as a property also allows you to style different embedded objects differently. CSS class names in the format embeddedObject-ID are used.

Related Topics

Working with Macros
Widget Connector Macro
Working with the Office Connector
Working with Attachments

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  1. Oct 17, 2006

    Our confluence is on https. When we embed a flash file, we get the message "This page contains both secure and nonsecure items. Do you want to display the nonsecure items."

    I uploaded the files trough attachments. They are in the same location as the images. The images don't give the problem, only the flash files.

     Any ideas?

    1. Oct 17, 2006

      I found this on the macromedia site: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_16588

      Unfortunately I can't change the codebase since I use the !testfile.swf! annotation...

    2. Dec 19, 2007

      just passing... The solution to this is store all referenced media (images, css) that are loaded in the page, over ssl. in non-ssl mode, there will be no complaint over mixed source content (page from http, resources from https).

      use a packet capture tool like Wireshark to pull out trick resources, or load the page from https and check the source for http:// references...

  2. Dec 11, 2006

    I can't figure out how to specify the codebase...  If I try to attach the file and refer as this:

    !blah.vsd|type=application/x-visio,classid=clsid:279D6C9A-652E-4833-BEFC-312CA8887857,codebase=vviewer.exe!

    It doesn't resolve to the proper link for the codebase (although the blah.vsd is fine).  But if I use the full http:// to the viewer, Confluence converts it into an href in the rendered page.

  3. Jan 31, 2007

    After embedding a couple of Flash .swf's i'm noticing that they run slowly. My movies are running at 30 fps in Flash. Any ideas why this is happening or if installing the Flash macro would help here?

    Cheers

  4. Mar 22, 2007

    When I embed a real media file on my page using this notation:

    !BrowseSpaceRM.rm|height=600,width=800,id=media!
    

    The movie window AND the playback toolbar is the listed size. How can I get around this as it looks goofy.

    1. Oct 26, 2007

      Jeff, it looks like you'll have to ask Real about this.
      I've been looking over their documentation for a support request on this very issue, and the only parameters available for controlling the playback window are the simple height and width.

      I agree that it looks goofy, but unfortunately this is one thing over which we've no control. I'll be happy to stand corrected, but for now that's the best of my knowledge.

      James

    2. Feb 07, 2008

      Jeff, have you tried altering the sizing attributes? I had to guess at a video I had embedded, and with some fiddling around, it played just fine and looked good too.

      1. Feb 07, 2008

        I actually have not played with this since. I have been using the Flash Macro and embedding Flash instead of Real Content. Thanks for the reply though!

        1. Feb 11, 2008

          Do you have problems adding text to a page that has embedded media? For some reason I can embed a QT Movie, but the editor won't show text without skewing the video into some tiny little pink, static square in the upper left corner of the page.

          ?? 

          1. Apr 29, 2008

            Anonymous

            Hi David, Have you figured this issue out? If so, how do I set video sizes so they quit defaulting.

  5. Apr 26, 2007

    FYI, I have opened CONF-8345 requesting the removal of the restriction that "files located on remote servers are not permitted". Please vote for the issue if you agree.

  6. May 09, 2007

    Is there any way to Embed, Display, or even Convert a PDF file for viewing on confluence?

    1. May 09, 2007

      Yes — you can attach a PDF file to any Confluence page, and create a link to it. Please see Working with Attachments Overview

      1. May 10, 2007

        How about to view the PDF directly on the Confluence page, without needing to open an external instance of a pdf viewer.  I have tried embedding it like other multimedia content, but it firefox tells me I need to install additional plugins (IE does nothing with it). I have Adobe Reader installed on my system.

        1. Nov 25, 2009

          This is just a note to update this comment thread.

          Embedding a PDF directly on a Confluence page is now possible in Confluence (smile)

          Details are available here.

          1. Sep 25, 2011

            See AppFusions' SharpView - including video and live demo of a displaying PDFs in high resolution in Confluence, among other features.

            https://www.appfusions.com/display/SHRPVW/Home 

  7. May 11, 2007

    Unfortunately, there is no such feature to view a PDF document directly on a confluence page. A new plugin is required to put the PDF content into confluence page and currently there is no plugin available to embed this external software into Confluence page.

    I would suggest you to create a feature request in Jira at http://jira.atlassian.com describing your requirement. Please feel free to add a watch and you can cast your vote for this feature there.

    1. May 11, 2007

      Thank You.

  8. Aug 27, 2007

    Most of our Confluence pages display content directly from the attached Word or Excel document(s) using Word/Excel macros.  In some cases, we only want to display content from a particular page or worksheet, not from the entire document.  Is there a way to do this?

    Thanks.

  9. Aug 28, 2007

    Any progress regarding the Mind Manager plugin? I've seen a couple of comments from users, but not sure if this went any further. Thanks!

    1. Nov 14, 2007

      Yes, mind manager maps very important for projects and for documentation

      1. Dec 19, 2007

        Checkout the Freemind plugin which does a great job of loading freemind attachments and rendering in an applet. It works a treat - but no editing ability, think excel...

        1. Sep 25, 2011

          See AppFusions' MindMapIt - including video and live demo for building MindMaps inside Confluence, among other features.

          https://www.appfusions.com/display/MNDMPIT/Home

  10. Aug 28, 2007

    I have added an mp3 file - !song1.mp3! - but I do not want it to auto play so I changed it to - !song1.mp3|autostart=false! - but this did nothing. Any ideas on how or if I can get this to not autostart?

    1. Nov 16, 2007

      I'll second that. I'm trying exactly the same with wmv files and the autostart=false instruction just does not work

    2. Nov 19, 2007

      Hi Corey,

      I'm not aware of any workaround that could fulfill your requirement. However, if you are keen on this improvement, please raise an improvement request at our JIRA issue tracker:

      Regards,
      Choy Li

      1. Nov 19, 2007

        I've taken the liberty of raising an issue as you suggested Choy. Find it here

    3. Feb 07, 2008

      Ditto - did the same thing on a Quick Time movie, using QT attributes and it did not stop.

  11. Jan 09, 2008

    Anonymous

    Has anyone been able to add a flash file and not have it play automatically?  I've also tried the autostart=false with no luck.  Is there a way to display the play controls as well?

    1. Feb 11, 2008

      Hi,

      Unfortunately, Confluence does not provide this feature currently. However, there is an improvement request pertaining to manage multimedia content in Confluence page being tracked at the following:

      If you are keen on this improvement, feel free to cast a vote to increase its popularity and add yourself as a watcher for future updates.

      Regards,
      Choy Li

      1. Feb 25, 2008

        Anonymous

        That bug is almost 4 months old and remains unassigned. Any idea if it's going to get looked at?

        1. Feb 25, 2008

          Hi,

          I can't possibly tell you the schedule on when our developer will fix the reported issues due to our commitment in getting the bugs fixed and other new implementations. However, you may check on the following link on the work in progress for:

          I would suggest you to add yourself as the watcher of the improvement request as updates will be posted there and feel free to add any comments of your concern to the improvement request to truly reflect the importance of this improvement.

          Regards,
          Choy Li

  12. Mar 03, 2008

    Not sure if I'm doing something wrong, but I can't get my flashfile to resize.  It's coming up quite small and I'd like it to be at least 80% of the available screen size.  Any tips ?

    1. Mar 03, 2008

      Hi Mel,

      It would be appreciated that if you could raise a support request at here pertaining to the problem that you are having. We will follow up and further investigate the problem from there.

      Regards,
      Choy Li

      1. Jun 17, 2008

        Anonymous

        I raised this issue a few versions before and nothing was done. It really makes it tough to place a flash file. Each time I edit the page it resizes to the default that you guys set. I really want to have control on the flash file because sometimes I edit the page - the flash resizes and I forget to resize it back to my preferences.

        1. Jun 18, 2008

          Hi,

          This plugin may come in handy for you:

          Regards,
          Mei

        2. Oct 28, 2008

          I found that this problem occurs only if you edit your page in the rich text editor.

          For some reason Flash Files default to a 32x32 pixel size

          If you edit your page in Wiki markup instead I find it is perfect.

  13. Mar 30, 2008

    Anonymous

    How do you attach an mp3 file so that it doesn't automatically play? because I have a number of mp3's attached and when you first get to my page the simple cacophony is enough to drive away most people

    1. Apr 01, 2008

      Hi there,

      We have a discussion regarding this at:

      Feel free to participate in the improvement request.
      Additionally, an mp3 file embedded in my local instance are played via the Quicktime player. Right clicking on the player enable you to choose the option "Plug-in Settings". From there, you are able to configure the autoplay option under the "Browser" tab. You might want to give a try with the configuration suggested there if your Confluence's page is using Quicktime player too.

      Cheers,
      Tony

  14. May 07, 2008

    Anonymous

    When I embed a .mov quicktime video, and set the dimensions (|,align=center,width=640,height=480,AUTOPLAY="false",id=media!) then go back to edit the document, because it comes up editing in rich text first, it changes my dimensions to 32x32.... only by changing the dimensions each time can i keep it at the ones i specified first.

    Help? 

    1. May 08, 2008

      Hi,

      I believe you are affected by the bug:

      Feel free to add a watch to the issue so that you will be notified for updates.

      Regards,
      Fennie

  15. May 07, 2008

    Anonymous

    When I embed a .swf into my wiki page, the playback toolbar doesn't show up. I realize I probably have to reference the skin file and/or the jscript, so I attached them to the page too but I have no idea how to get them on the page. Can anyone help me?

    1. May 08, 2008

      Hi,

      Can you please create a support ticket at :

      Once you have created the ticket, please attach a copy of your .swf, skin and jscript to the ticket for further investigation

      Regards,
      Fennie

  16. May 12, 2008

    Anonymous

    my wmv file works great. However I have several wmv files I would like to play automatically one after the other. WMV allows you to put it into a playlist but pl files are not supported right? although they contain wmv files? Any ideas how I can play multiple wmv files without having to embedd them individually on on one page?

    Thanks

    Nana

    1. May 13, 2008

      Hi Nana,

      I am afraid this cannot be achieved in Confluence. Indeed, the embedded multimedia feature does not support *.pl or *.wpl extension. If you are keen with this feature, feel free to raise a feature request in our JIRA Issue Tracker at:

      Cheers,
      Tony

  17. May 21, 2008

    Anonymous

    With regard to 508 compliance, videos need to have captioning. A type of windows media file .asx provides captioning but its not supported here. How can I get it to show? I think you should support all windows media files

    1. May 22, 2008

      Hi,

      This feature is not supported in Confluence currently. However, if you are keen with this feature, feel free to raise a feature request in our JIRA Issue Tracker here. Thanks.

      Regards,
      MG

  18. Sep 15, 2008

    Hi !!

    So nobody can help me to know how to activate the autoplay function to false ?

    1. Sep 15, 2008

      Hi Pierre,

      I would suggest you to take a look at a user macro, written by Ruben Miranda at:

      Hope that helps.

      Cheers,
      Azwandi

      1. Sep 15, 2008

        Hi !

        Many thanks for the tip.

        Unfortunatly, the video macro is not recognize by Confluence.

        Anybody else has an answer to my autoplay issue ?

        1. Sep 16, 2008

          Hi Pierre,

          The video macro is a form of user macros, which you have to create in the Administration Console, before you can use them in the wiki markup. In other words, you do not have to install a full plugin to utilise the macro. To learn more about user macros, please refer to this page. Hope that helps.

          Cheers,
          Azwandi

  19. Nov 17, 2008

    Anonymous

    Hi- Anyone know how to load a DVD to a wiki?  The file extensions are of type, BUP, IFO and VOB.  The DVD starts automatically in CyberLink Power DVD.  Any suggestions?  Thanks!

    1. Nov 19, 2008

      Hi,

      I am not aware of any plugins that can load a DVD into a wiki. However, if it is something embeddable or displayable using HTML tags, you can use the HTML macro that is bundled in Confluence.

      Cheers,
      Azwandi

  20. Feb 03, 2009

    Anonymous

    Is there any way to make the size of an embedded pdf viewer variable, as in it scales with the size of the broswer window?

    1. Feb 12, 2009

      Hi there,

      If you are using {viewfile} macro, you might want to use the width and height variable to adjust the size. However we don't have the feature to auto adjust the size according to windows browser. Meanwhile, if you are keen with this feature feel free to raise a feature request on our JIRA Issue Tracker here. Thanks

      Cheers,
      Komathi

  21. Feb 18, 2009

    Are there any performance hits when streaming video from Confluence? Say an 18MB WMV file?

    1. Mar 25, 2009

      I think the situation depends on the streaming method (although I am not aware of any plugins that can provide streaming service). Otherwise, it can be regarded as downloading a normal 18MB attachment off Confluence.

  22. Aug 19, 2009

    I have attached an MP4 video file to a page but when I click on it, it opens as full screen in the same page in Firefox using Quicktime (which I have installed).  I would like embed the video and have it play minimized within the Confluence page so people realise they are still within the Wiki.  Changing the height & width make absolutely no difference.  Any ideas how?

    1. Aug 20, 2009

      Thanks to Zed Yap(Atlassian)

      Using the html macro to limit the size worked.  As long as your height and width are larger than the video, it shows the controls. 

      Only problem is our "systems" guys are not happy about enabling the  html macro - life goes on!

    2. Aug 21, 2009

      Hi Bronwyn,

      I have attached an MP4 video file to a page but when I click on it, it opens as full screen in the same page in Firefox using Quicktime (which I have installed). I would like embed the video and have it play minimized within the Confluence page so people realise they are still within the Wiki. Changing the height & width make absolutely no difference. Any ideas how?

      You might want to use CSS style syntax to limit the size of the video. To do so you will need the html macro plugin. I have created an example below hopefully this might give
      you more understanding on it:

      Hope that helps.
      Best rgds,
      Zed

  23. Jan 07, 2010

    Happy 2010 Atlassian!  Any news on fixing the issue for disabling autoplay for embedding multimedia content?  This is a critical component that threatens to kill my upsell for Confluence within our Marketing department which needs to host hundreds of mp3's and .mov files.  Every time we reload the page or edit, it launches every file simultaneously.  This was something I was looking forward to seeing prioritized for the release of 3.1 but sadly it has not been.  I'm waiting to open up to over 300+ users but cannot until this issue is resolved. Major bummer. Surprised you are not giving this more importance given the core business use for entertainment and media companies that need this functionality.

  24. Jan 11, 2010

    Anonymous

    I agree!  This problem needs a major fix as there's nothing more nerve wracking then having a page with multiple mp3's which are stuck in an 'auto-play' mode.  Any chance on including this in your next release?  This really is a big needed fix!

    1. Mar 01, 2010

      Hi guys,

      Perhaps the workaround provided by Ruben Miranda could help for the time being. Basically, the workaround is to create a user macro that will stop the auto play, In order to create a new user macro:

      1. Go to Dashboard > Administration > User Macros
      2. Click Create a User Macro.
      3. Name your user macro anything that you want. eg: video
      4. Untick "Macro has a body"
      5. Change Output to "Macro generates HTML markup"
      6. In the Template, copy and paste the following:
      7. Once you are done with that, you can simply use this macro anywhere in your page by specifying the following in your wiki markup:

      Hope this helps.

      Cheers
      JSashi

  25. Jan 15, 2010

    I've figured this out for Adobe Captivate .swf movies.  Please see my post on the Confluence user forum: Managing multimedia content in a Confluence page.

  26. Aug 13, 2010

    Anonymous

    Info: Setting autoplay to false works for me with mov and wmv files like this:

    wmv: !small.wmv|,align=center,width=320,height=240,autostart=0,id=media!

    mov: !2009-12-08-02-2.mov|,align=center,width=320,height=240,AUTOPLAY="false",id=media!

    1. Aug 25, 2011

      (removed)

  27. Sep 09, 2010

    My company uses Confluence 2.9. I have trouble uploading video contents more than 60 MB and most decent looking videos of 15 minutes length are at least 60 to 70 MB size. It becomes frustrating to upload them because it takes hell a lot of time to upload the file and many times the session freezes or crashes. I once succeeded in uploading a 16MB video but the page took a lot of time to load and the video did not stream smoothly.

    The server is located at offshore for us and I am not sure thats the only reason. Would upgrading to 3.3 help? Like other users have mentioned, we have a number of video tutorial that we would like to post on our wiki and I just wanted to know is there any thing that out admin can do to improve performance.

  28. Oct 04, 2010

    I am trying to embed an SWF video into a JIRA task description like that:

    !my-attached-video.swf!

    but it doesn't work. The area is just white.

  29. Nov 10, 2010

    Anonymous

    I created a little macro for embedding freemind mindmaps into a conlfuence page (everything on this page regarding mindmaps seems to be outdated).

    You can get the macro and the instruction here:

    http://s-weber.blogspot.com/2010/11/freemind-mindmaps-in-confluence-pages.html

    Cheers

    1. Jan 09, 2011

      Stefan - thanks a lot for your effort. After having spend a long time searching for a "mind mapping solution" for Confluence, you made my day! Very much appreciated!! (smile)

      And for everyone looking for some mind mapping data (.mm) to get a demonstration page running: check out WikiMindMap.org.

      Best regards,
      Andreas

  30. Mar 21, 2011

    The new multimedia macro will not find attached swf (flash) files if the filename has a ' in it.
    We have files already embedded using the !filename.swf! notation and they work fine (autoplay and all) but when I changed them to use the new {multimedia} notation there was an error message: "multimedia: Cannot find attachment 'ninja's.swf'"

    I've tried in our test 3.5 environment, by attaching the test swf file from this page with an apostrophe ' character in the filename.

    I've logged a JIRA issue (with attachments for test) at CONF-22044

  31. Apr 01, 2011

    I am wanting to center .mov videos. They play ok but do not center. This is what I've tried:

    Any suggestions?

  32. Apr 07, 2011

    Anonymous

    HI!

    Which Plugin have i to install for using multimedia macro?

    cheers!

    1. Apr 07, 2011

      Hallo there
      The Multimedia macro is bundled with Confluence 3.5 and later. No additional plugin installation required. (smile)
      Cheers, Sarah

  33. Apr 28, 2011

    Anonymous

    I'm using Firefox 4.0 and I have some problems with multimedia files (avi and wmv). Browser says that it needs a plugin, but I have all plugin installed. And browser can't find any "good" plugin to be installed. So maybe the problem is in Firefox 4.0.  For example there are no Google Gears and Web DAV Launcher for this version of  FF

  34. Jul 06, 2011

    Anonymous

    The list of acceptable movie file formats (containers) should be the same in the Dialog box as it is in the Documentation link. In the dialog box, it lists swf, mov, wma, wmv, mpeg, mpg, ram, rm, mp3, and avi. In the documentation, it lists all these PLUS mp4. mp4 is pretty common, so it's a pain for the User to not be able to know that it's allowable unless he clicks on the Documentation hyperlink. m4v (which is not listed) is pretty common, too, so I think it would be helpful for not only the allowable formats to be listed, but also for the "definitely not allowed" formats to be listed.

  35. Jul 29, 2011

    Anonymous

    Has anyone found a format and code that lets them embed a video that can be viewed by iphones?

  36. Aug 23, 2011

    Anonymous

    Tip: If you can output a .flv flash video file and a .swf flash controller file (Camtasia, for example, spits these out when you produce a flash video) you can attach both of these to the page, and then use the multimedia macro with the .swf. It will play the .flv fine.

  37. Aug 25, 2011

    Anybody know how to stop auto-playing?

  38. Sep 13, 2011

    Anonymous

    Unfortunately, I don't think there is a way to stop the autostart.  I haven't found one, and no one else seems to know of one.  Adding "autostart='false'" does not work, at least not in IE or Firefox.

    What I've done to get around it is to place an image of the player window on the page, and when a user clicks on it, a pop-up window launches with the video in it, which auto-plays, of course.  This way you don't have the video auto-starting when the page is loaded.  They must click on it to start it.

  39. Dec 14, 2011

    Anonymous

    It's the first time I came here, and I found it powerful!